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Post by Creator on Dec 29, 2003 5:07:18 GMT 1
I think it will end up Rand dying, but Nyn using the sa'angreal to bring him back to life. I have more to say, but I'm in a hurry.
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Post by Isabel on Dec 29, 2003 10:34:38 GMT 1
First of all, I don't think normal dead can be healed. Rand tried with Callandor. But I do believe Nyn can get Rand back. She saw Moghedien cast Birgitte out of TAR, so if Rand returns there;) Or she can do something else, but i don't think that normal dead will be healed, i think something will be special when Rand 'dies".
bye, isabel
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Post by Squilo on Dec 29, 2003 19:49:15 GMT 1
there has been to much emphasis on how death can not be healed, and how nynaeve has done the impossible for it not to happen. as for rand in the stone, one thing, rand's talent in healing is nothing, he has no clue HOW to heal. and with the choeden kal, anything can happen...
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Post by Creator on Dec 30, 2003 2:34:45 GMT 1
One thing that gave me the idea that Rand would be brought back to life at all was his relationships with Aviendha, Elayne, and Min. They refer to the whole being in love with three women problem like his gonna live more than a few more years. They think about how to solve it as if he was going to be around for a while. I don't doubt that he will die, or at least spill some blood on some rocks. Remember the whole, his blood on the rocks at Shayol Ghoul thing? It doesn't ever really say he's going to die though. Like Squilo said, they metion the death can't be healed thing alot, and she's done healed the unhealable before, why not again? Or it could be like Isabel said, maybe she'll be able to pull his thread right out of the Dream world and into the real world. Another problem with the healing the dead thing though is that, she'll be able to heal every dead person she finds, but I think it'll be something that happens out of desperation and confusion, and she, and anybody else who happens to be near by, won't remember what weave she used.
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Post by Liandra on Dec 30, 2003 20:07:07 GMT 1
I remember it was said somewhere in the books that Nynaeve wouldn't stop trying untill she had healed someone three days dead (or something like that). However, I really hope she won't. It would be so... I don't know an English word that describes it... In Dutch I would say 'luguber'... I think 'horrifying' (sorry for the spelling) comes close. What I mean is: you don't bring dead people back to life. You just don't! It would be a really sick thing to do...
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Post by Creator on Dec 31, 2003 1:40:52 GMT 1
Not to get off subject Liandra, but I take it your not a fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.(She died like twice and was each time brought back to life.)
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Squilo
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Post by Squilo on Dec 31, 2003 7:35:33 GMT 1
or a fan of mat cauthon for that matter...anywyas now that i think about it, healing death could cause some unpleasnat side effects. can you imagine lines of ppl waiting for thier deseased loved ones to be healed. the world would get populated realllllllllllllly fast. it is possible that nyn would learn to heal ppl from the brink of death, like on their last breath. but death is death. unless your osan/aran'gar, mat, lanfear, ishamael, asmodean (hes alive dammit), etc.
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Post by Liandra on Jan 2, 2004 15:44:43 GMT 1
;D No, I loved Buffy! Well, I mean, I liked watching the show. But I think Buffy and WoT are two completely different things. Anyway, it doesn't really matter what it's about... Just let everyone who died remain dead. Else, I feel like I'm being laughed at by the writer. ( So you thought he was dead, did you? Well, guess, what? Surprise, here he is again, and we even gave him a new haircut! ... You ask me how that's possible? Well... euh... You know, that's such a borring story. It has something to do with the time of year and the wind and all... You know... Now, let's continue the story with a new adventure!!!) Please! Dead = dead.
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Post by Creator on Jan 2, 2004 21:39:26 GMT 1
Another theory on her place in the Last Battle that I read about was that she would seal the bore in the DO prison by healing it the same way she healed stilling, but I don't like that idea. If that happened that would mean the DO would remain alive, trapped, but alive. I want him dead.
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Post by Liandra on Jan 3, 2004 15:22:19 GMT 1
That brings me to another question... What will happen if Rand actually kills the Dark One? That would mean the Third Age cannot happen again, like it always has, in the Wheel of Time. Would the Third Age dissapear? But what effect will that have on the other Ages? Is it possible, perhaps, that the whole Wheel will break? Will time, perhaps, from that day on, be lineair in the WoT universum, in stead of being circulair?
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Post by Creator on Jan 6, 2004 23:51:25 GMT 1
He just might actually have the wheel be broken and time made linear like you said. I remember reading a chat with him and asked something about something which lead to Jordan saying the thing he most appreciated the Greeks leaving us behind was the idea that time was linear. I actually wouldn't mind the wheel breaking all that much. I want an end to the story, not for them to be all reborn and do it all over again. I wonder what Herid Fael was say about that? The philosepher guy at the school? He seemed to be catching on to something, before they killed him. Maybe that was it.
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Post by XENIA on Feb 2, 2004 7:05:59 GMT 1
I too think, that Rand should be lost. Anyway I think it more probable, rather than it would survive. But if it will survive, I think, Cure it she could only Nynaeve, only. Forgive for mistakes =))
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Post by HammerOfGod on Jul 17, 2004 6:12:59 GMT 1
He cannot kill the DO; all he can do is wall him up for a few ages...
I think that Rand will be severed from the One Power and Nynaeve will have to give him his ability back, just like she did Logain...
RJ will do things on a minor note and then later it will come back as a major note; as in music....
First Nynaeve heals Logain, then in Knife of Dreams she will heal Rand...
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Post by HammerOfGod on Dec 30, 2004 18:20:34 GMT 1
In the Doorway Rand was told....to live you must die...
As I have said before RJ will use a theme more than once in this series...Avi-Mat and Asmodean were all killed by Rahaven, but when Rand killed Rahaven...with balefire, he undid what Gabriel had done and Avi,Mat and Asmodean were alive again...
Rand could be killed but Nynaeve could use Balefire on Moridin and bring Rand back...this has already been established in the series so it could work...
there is also what Thom saying about a day dawning twice...this could only be achieved by using Balefire...
A second alternative is a fake death for Rand in which Alevia participates making it look to the world like Rand is dead but he is not dead...Like what was done with {The Mother Confessor} in SOT.....
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Post by Shikoba on Dec 31, 2004 4:37:47 GMT 1
In WoT, everything ties in together. Random bystander's names are mentioned because RJ knows they'll turn up later in the plot.
Balefire has been used for the plot a couple of times, but there has to be a reason there's such a big deal about it.
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